Comments on: Game Grades: Colorado Rapids at FC Dallas http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/ The Independent FC Dallas News Source Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:34:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Barefoot http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23725 Barefoot Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:33:15 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23725 Hoopstatic: Point taken, but CHI must lose, not tie. Logic: If Chicago loses or COL fail to take 3, then there are at least 2 playoff spots open, and while DC might edge us out for one spot, there is no combination of scenarios where we get edged out for 2 or more spots. Hoopstatic: Point taken, but CHI must lose, not tie.

Logic: If Chicago loses or COL fail to take 3, then there are at least 2 playoff spots open, and while DC might edge us out for one spot, there is no combination of scenarios where we get edged out for 2 or more spots.

]]> By: Hoopstastic http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23719 Hoopstastic Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:16:57 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23719 Barefoot, Actually, if Chicago fails to win on Thursday and FCD wins, that also seals it up as well. Barefoot,

Actually, if Chicago fails to win on Thursday and FCD wins, that also seals it up as well.

]]> By: Barefoot http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23716 Barefoot Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:06:26 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23716 Simplest playoff format: Dallas wins and either DC or COL fail to take the full 3 points and Dallas is in. As noted in the extensive discussion under the "A Miracle Save? Not Yet. " post, if both DC and COL win, it gets complicated, but very likely Dallas goes through with a win. Simplest playoff format:
Dallas wins and either DC or COL fail to take the full 3 points and Dallas is in.

As noted in the extensive discussion under the “A Miracle Save? Not Yet. ” post, if both DC and COL win, it gets complicated, but very likely Dallas goes through with a win.

]]> By: jose http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23697 jose Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:33:37 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23697 Gotta agree about Dax, he's the heart and soul of this team Gotta agree about Dax, he’s the heart and soul of this team

]]> By: Steve http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23687 Steve Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:49:40 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23687 I also left out the following note: "If two clubs remain tied after another club with the same number of points advances during any step, the tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format." so, the moment there is a clear #7 seed, the system resets and the remaining tied clubs are compared against each other, ignoring their records against the #7 seed. I also left out the following note:
“If two clubs remain tied after another club with the same number of points advances during any step, the tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format.”

so, the moment there is a clear #7 seed, the system resets and the remaining tied clubs are compared against each other, ignoring their records against the #7 seed.

]]> By: Steve http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23686 Steve Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:47:32 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23686 saban, look at the order of what's written. The first step is "The highest position shall be awarded to the team with the better win/loss record in current regular season games against all other teams equal in points. (head-to-head competition)" second is "If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the greater goal difference against all other teams during the regular season. (goal differential)" the unlikely third step is "If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team scoring the greatest number of total goals against all other teams during the regular season. (total goals)" saban,
look at the order of what’s written. The first step is “The highest position shall be awarded to the team with the better win/loss record in current regular season games against all other teams equal in points. (head-to-head competition)”

second is “If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the greater goal difference against all other teams during the regular season. (goal differential)”

the unlikely third step is “If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team scoring the greatest number of total goals against all other teams during the regular season. (total goals)”

]]> By: FCD Hoops http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23677 FCD Hoops Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:56:09 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23677 What's the story with all of the yellow cards we got in the Colorado game...? Will it cost us any of our players for the Seattle game? Not sure where they stand in accumulations. Any insight? What’s the story with all of the yellow cards we got in the Colorado game…? Will it cost us any of our players for the Seattle game? Not sure where they stand in accumulations. Any insight?

]]> By: saban http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23673 saban Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:34:46 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23673 Steve, You say "The weirdest part of the tiebreaker is the greatest point then goal diff in only the games head-to-head with all the other tied clubs." But that's not what you wrote further above regarding goal differential: "If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the greater goal difference against all other teams during the regular season. (goal differential) If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team scoring the greatest number of total goals against all other teams during the regular season. (total goals)". Which is it? Steve,

You say “The weirdest part of the tiebreaker is the greatest point then goal diff in only the games head-to-head with all the other tied clubs.”

But that’s not what you wrote further above regarding goal differential: “If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the greater goal difference against all other teams during the regular season. (goal differential)
If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team scoring the greatest number of total goals against all other teams during the regular season. (total goals)”.

Which is it?

]]> By: Steve http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23670 Steve Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:12:00 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23670 The weirdest part of the tiebreaker is the greatest point then goal diff in only the games head-to-head with all the other tied clubs. One the surface, it looks like a DC loss and a FCD win would do it, but, theoretically, there could be something weird in the head-to-head games between the other tied teams that could screw FCD over. I'm looking forward to a paid reporter and/or statistician to break down all the possibilities. A Chicago loss and everyone winning out might even leave FCD with the tiebreaker edge. If MLS had gone with overall goal diff as the number 1 tiebreaker like most leagues do, then this would be much easier to figure (and favor FCD). Also, here's the schedule of games relevant to FCD: Thursday, October 22 Chivas USA at Chicago Fire 8:00 p.m. ESPN2, Deportes Saturday, October 24 Toronto FC at New York Red Bulls 7:30 p.m. DK, Match Center D.C. United at Kansas City Wizards 8:30 p.m. DK, Match Center Colorado Rapids at Real Salt Lake 9:00 p.m. FSC, FSE FC Dallas at Seattle Sounders FC 10:30 p.m. DK, Match Center Sunday, October 25 New England Revolution at Columbus Crew 5:00 p.m. ESPN2, Deportes The weirdest part of the tiebreaker is the greatest point then goal diff in only the games head-to-head with all the other tied clubs. One the surface, it looks like a DC loss and a FCD win would do it, but, theoretically, there could be something weird in the head-to-head games between the other tied teams that could screw FCD over. I’m looking forward to a paid reporter and/or statistician to break down all the possibilities. A Chicago loss and everyone winning out might even leave FCD with the tiebreaker edge.

If MLS had gone with overall goal diff as the number 1 tiebreaker like most leagues do, then this would be much easier to figure (and favor FCD).

Also, here’s the schedule of games relevant to FCD:
Thursday, October 22
Chivas USA at Chicago Fire 8:00 p.m. ESPN2, Deportes

Saturday, October 24
Toronto FC at New York Red Bulls 7:30 p.m. DK, Match Center
D.C. United at Kansas City Wizards 8:30 p.m. DK, Match Center
Colorado Rapids at Real Salt Lake 9:00 p.m. FSC, FSE
FC Dallas at Seattle Sounders FC 10:30 p.m. DK, Match Center

Sunday, October 25
New England Revolution at Columbus Crew 5:00 p.m. ESPN2, Deportes

]]> By: saban http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/10/20/game-grades-colorado-rapids-at-fc-dallas/comment-page-1/#comment-23667 saban Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:59:21 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=6474#comment-23667 So, if we win against Seattle we win a H to H tiebreaker against everyone but DC. If 3 or more teams are involved we need to get by the multiple team H to H step, and then we win goal differential or total goals against them all. The only other possibility is we get by the mutiple team H to H and DC wins their last game by about 6 goals. So, if we win against Seattle we win a H to H tiebreaker against everyone but DC.

If 3 or more teams are involved we need to get by the multiple team H to H step, and then we win goal differential or total goals against them all.

The only other possibility is we get by the mutiple team H to H and DC wins their last game by about 6 goals.

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