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		<title>By: captincanuck</title>
		<link>http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/08/12/america-f-yeah/comment-page-1/#comment-20956</link>
		<dc:creator>captincanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this was Mexico vs anyone else I would have 0 problem with it but since these soldiers represent the USA, fight for the USA, get paid by the USA, and so on they shouldn&#039;t be hoping for the USA to lose at anything. Its the country they are fighting for what if for some reason the USA fights Mexico? Are they suddenly going to point their guns at the USA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this was Mexico vs anyone else I would have 0 problem with it but since these soldiers represent the USA, fight for the USA, get paid by the USA, and so on they shouldn&#8217;t be hoping for the USA to lose at anything. Its the country they are fighting for what if for some reason the USA fights Mexico? Are they suddenly going to point their guns at the USA?</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Carrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Carrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, you don&#039;t know me very well, AMPing up my support to rub it in the face of co-workers is exactly what I would NOT do.  I consider it rude.

But if I were transfered and did do something like cheer for the Cowboys while living in Philly.  I damn well would expect Philly people to be pissed about it.  Clearly you do as well given you think most people would do it on purpose to &quot;rub their faces in it.&quot;  You in fact expect them to be pissed.

So thank you for making my exact point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, you don&#8217;t know me very well, AMPing up my support to rub it in the face of co-workers is exactly what I would NOT do.  I consider it rude.</p>
<p>But if I were transfered and did do something like cheer for the Cowboys while living in Philly.  I damn well would expect Philly people to be pissed about it.  Clearly you do as well given you think most people would do it on purpose to &#8220;rub their faces in it.&#8221;  You in fact expect them to be pissed.</p>
<p>So thank you for making my exact point.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Buzz&#039;s Cowboys vs Eagles example: thanks for proving my point. 

Sure, you say you&#039;d be &quot;livid&quot; to see Dallas cops cheering for the Eagles (I don&#039;t think they&#039;d be in face paint while in uniform in any case, we can leave that ridiculous part out). 

But think of it from your own standpoint. Suppose you were transferred with your job to Philadelphia. Or that you moved there, and got a job on their police force. Are you honestly going to try and claim that you would cheer for the &quot;hated&quot; Eagles then? Give me a break.

But what if your watching of the game were itself televised, and could be &quot;cut in&quot; on during the broadcast? Of course you still wouldn&#039;t cheer for them. Could you maybe be able to just keep quiet and be an impartial spectator? I doubt that, too. 

Come to think of it, I bet a lot of people might amp up their support of the &quot;other&quot; team (the Cowboys in this example), just to have a bit of fun tweaking their coworkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Buzz&#8217;s Cowboys vs Eagles example: thanks for proving my point. </p>
<p>Sure, you say you&#8217;d be &#8220;livid&#8221; to see Dallas cops cheering for the Eagles (I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;d be in face paint while in uniform in any case, we can leave that ridiculous part out). </p>
<p>But think of it from your own standpoint. Suppose you were transferred with your job to Philadelphia. Or that you moved there, and got a job on their police force. Are you honestly going to try and claim that you would cheer for the &#8220;hated&#8221; Eagles then? Give me a break.</p>
<p>But what if your watching of the game were itself televised, and could be &#8220;cut in&#8221; on during the broadcast? Of course you still wouldn&#8217;t cheer for them. Could you maybe be able to just keep quiet and be an impartial spectator? I doubt that, too. </p>
<p>Come to think of it, I bet a lot of people might amp up their support of the &#8220;other&#8221; team (the Cowboys in this example), just to have a bit of fun tweaking their coworkers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are touchy Stacy, I am just stating an obvious fact to anyone with their eyes open. 

My only point in the above post was that some Mexican soldiers waving the Mexican flag are simply soccer fans, but some are probably hypocrite mercenaries wearing the uniform of our Armed Services. 

As far as assimilation is concerned, consider the hundred of thousands who live in the states for 10, 15, 20 years but still do not speak English!? I dealt with this in my line of work, it was not easy to see so many promising, wonderful people who still struggle to assimilate, and it prevents upward career potential with the company....and THEN when I find out they are 2nd generation in the US I want to blow a gasket!! It can be very heartbreaking to watch this happen. 

So, you can toss bombs at me all you want and act high and mighty Stacy, but this is a real problem, and not a hypocrisy to point out a simple fact.  So many immigrants are here only for the short term money and not to become American citizens, often based on a lack of belief that they could do much else in life but what they are currently doing. It is, I am sorry to say, a third world mentality. American big business feeds this mindset to gain the cheap labor, which is the driving force behind our illegal immigration problem.

I suppose I could also mention another troublesome fact, that statistically, Mexican immigrants have children (often multiple children) way too young in their life, and that puts the kids at risk for poor health along with all the other risks associated with growing up in abject poverty, but no....I won&#039;t go there, because I would probably be name called for stating that fact as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are touchy Stacy, I am just stating an obvious fact to anyone with their eyes open. </p>
<p>My only point in the above post was that some Mexican soldiers waving the Mexican flag are simply soccer fans, but some are probably hypocrite mercenaries wearing the uniform of our Armed Services. </p>
<p>As far as assimilation is concerned, consider the hundred of thousands who live in the states for 10, 15, 20 years but still do not speak English!? I dealt with this in my line of work, it was not easy to see so many promising, wonderful people who still struggle to assimilate, and it prevents upward career potential with the company&#8230;.and THEN when I find out they are 2nd generation in the US I want to blow a gasket!! It can be very heartbreaking to watch this happen. </p>
<p>So, you can toss bombs at me all you want and act high and mighty Stacy, but this is a real problem, and not a hypocrisy to point out a simple fact.  So many immigrants are here only for the short term money and not to become American citizens, often based on a lack of belief that they could do much else in life but what they are currently doing. It is, I am sorry to say, a third world mentality. American big business feeds this mindset to gain the cheap labor, which is the driving force behind our illegal immigration problem.</p>
<p>I suppose I could also mention another troublesome fact, that statistically, Mexican immigrants have children (often multiple children) way too young in their life, and that puts the kids at risk for poor health along with all the other risks associated with growing up in abject poverty, but no&#8230;.I won&#8217;t go there, because I would probably be name called for stating that fact as well.</p>
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		<title>By: cowtown</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowtown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:mrgreen: What she said:

&quot;#  Comment by Stacy on August 13, 2009 12:12 PM

&quot;Wow, Robert, You warn against generalizations and lumping large groups into convenient categories then blast the lack of assimilation “by so many Mexican immigrants.” Hmmm….hypocritical much?

&quot;Clearly no one knows why any of the soldiers involved in the cutaway joined the Army. But what we do know is that they all took an oath to defend the country and its constitution, whether for money, love of country, a quick path to citizenship or a free education. And that decision, regardless of motive, meant they might have to give their lives to such a defense. Is there any greater expression of assimilation?

&quot;If they’re willing to make that sacrifice — which strikes at the very heart of the American spirit — then I’ll forgive them this tiny, insignificant link to their homeland. Cheer away, boys.

&quot;As for the Royal Air Force, the United Kingdom has several different national teams — Buzz’s beloved Scotland, for instance — and they seem to manage their disparate loyalties just fine.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.3rddegree.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' />  What she said:</p>
<p>&#8220;#  Comment by Stacy on August 13, 2009 12:12 PM</p>
<p>&#8220;Wow, Robert, You warn against generalizations and lumping large groups into convenient categories then blast the lack of assimilation “by so many Mexican immigrants.” Hmmm….hypocritical much?</p>
<p>&#8220;Clearly no one knows why any of the soldiers involved in the cutaway joined the Army. But what we do know is that they all took an oath to defend the country and its constitution, whether for money, love of country, a quick path to citizenship or a free education. And that decision, regardless of motive, meant they might have to give their lives to such a defense. Is there any greater expression of assimilation?</p>
<p>&#8220;If they’re willing to make that sacrifice — which strikes at the very heart of the American spirit — then I’ll forgive them this tiny, insignificant link to their homeland. Cheer away, boys.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for the Royal Air Force, the United Kingdom has several different national teams — Buzz’s beloved Scotland, for instance — and they seem to manage their disparate loyalties just fine.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: myparentsareeuropeanbuti'mamerica</title>
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		<dc:creator>myparentsareeuropeanbuti'mamerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>say what you want but it was down right rude and personally, offputting, to see them  wave a mexican flag and root against their  countries team and flaunt it on national t.v. ( i don&#039;t care if they aren&#039;t yet citizens or not..many join to speed up the citizenship process)..i think it does say someting about loyalty...but being we are americans i respect your freedom to disagree with me. peace out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>say what you want but it was down right rude and personally, offputting, to see them  wave a mexican flag and root against their  countries team and flaunt it on national t.v. ( i don&#8217;t care if they aren&#8217;t yet citizens or not..many join to speed up the citizenship process)..i think it does say someting about loyalty&#8230;but being we are americans i respect your freedom to disagree with me. peace out</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And for a USA soldier to fly the colors of any country but their own is disgusting.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry... what country is this? 

That is a U.S. soldier in Iraq, but it may not even be a U.S. citizen. What&#039;s wrong with you? Did I mention that was a U.S. soldier in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And for a USA soldier to fly the colors of any country but their own is disgusting.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry&#8230; what country is this? </p>
<p>That is a U.S. soldier in Iraq, but it may not even be a U.S. citizen. What&#8217;s wrong with you? Did I mention that was a U.S. soldier in Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: jonesing

 :grin:</description>
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		<title>By: jonesing</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonesing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Jonno, you just proved Ed&#039;s point - you moved here for something you were not able to get in your birth country - the love of your life.  You see America really is the land of opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Jonno, you just proved Ed&#8217;s point &#8211; you moved here for something you were not able to get in your birth country &#8211; the love of your life.  You see America really is the land of opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Robert, You warn against generalizations and lumping large groups into convenient categories then blast the lack of assimilation &quot;by so many Mexican immigrants.&quot; Hmmm....hypocritical much? 

Clearly no one knows why any of the soldiers involved in the cutaway joined the Army. But what we do know is that they all took an oath to defend the country and its constitution, whether for money, love of country, a quick path to citizenship or a free education. And that decision, regardless of motive, meant they might have to give their lives to such a defense. Is there any greater expression of assimilation?

If they&#039;re willing to make that sacrifice -- which strikes at the very heart of the American spirit -- then I&#039;ll forgive them this tiny, insignificant link to their homeland. Cheer away, boys. 

As for the Royal Air Force, the United Kingdom has several different national teams -- Buzz&#039;s beloved Scotland, for instance -- and they seem to manage their disparate loyalties just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Robert, You warn against generalizations and lumping large groups into convenient categories then blast the lack of assimilation &#8220;by so many Mexican immigrants.&#8221; Hmmm&#8230;.hypocritical much? </p>
<p>Clearly no one knows why any of the soldiers involved in the cutaway joined the Army. But what we do know is that they all took an oath to defend the country and its constitution, whether for money, love of country, a quick path to citizenship or a free education. And that decision, regardless of motive, meant they might have to give their lives to such a defense. Is there any greater expression of assimilation?</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re willing to make that sacrifice &#8212; which strikes at the very heart of the American spirit &#8212; then I&#8217;ll forgive them this tiny, insignificant link to their homeland. Cheer away, boys. </p>
<p>As for the Royal Air Force, the United Kingdom has several different national teams &#8212; Buzz&#8217;s beloved Scotland, for instance &#8212; and they seem to manage their disparate loyalties just fine.</p>
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