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Hyndman on Szetela

A.k.a. You learn something new everyday.

July 16th, 2009 . 1:26 pm . By: Buzz Carrick

Yesterday I was fairly harsh on the decision to pass on Szetela without getting something from DC.  I said, and I still think I’m right, that there had better be something we don’t know.  Some consideration or some player set to come back that will make it worthwhile.

So after the post Comunicaciones game press confluence with coach Hyndman, I waited till last then asked a series of questions about Szetela.  Here’s the entire sequence for your enjoyment.  We’ll discuss it again after.

Can you talk about the decision to pass on Szetela?

Sure.  We had the #1 allocation spot, so when Danny [Szetela] became available, this was probably about two weeks ago, we thought it through quite well and made a decision today that he’s a very good player but it’s probably not in our most immediate needs.  We though that it may be better for us not to take him.  It may be something else may come down the road.

So despite DC showing their interest, you think whatever is coming next isn’t worth the risk of trying to get something from DC?

I don’t know… I hate to play games like that.  A lot of people may say it’s the way to do it.  But what happens if DC doesn’t come after him?  And what happens if we’re in a situation where we have another central midfielder?  We’re gonna have to let somebody go off the roster.

And not giving information away till it’s done, but we have other things that we’ve been planning.  It might upset that whole process.

So you feel pretty strongly that whatever’s coming will make it ok to have passed on Szetela?

Yup.

It has nothing to do with Szetela.  He’s a very good player and he would be a very good player on this team.  But I think his best position is central midfield and you look at our central midfielders and we’ve got quite a few of them.

So safe to assume then that you think you’ve got a pretty good American coming back?

I don’t know if we have a good American coming back.  But we hope that there’s something coming back that we can be at least in the first place for.

So that first place is for more than just Americans then?  I thought that was only for American players?

Not really.  You still have players coming back that might have played in the league.

Oh, ok. So for example then, Stern John might be one of those people?

That would be one name.  That’s not an American I don’t think.

No, definitely not. [general chuckles around the room]  But that would be a guy you would have to use that mechanics?  The #1 spot?

Yeah.

And you know, one of the things we were scared about, and we talked through this quite a bit, is that if we did go and get Szetela we would lose the #1 spot even if we did send him to DC.  Unless it was going to be a good offer for that #1 spot. What would have been perfect was if DC would have said, “Hey we’ll trade places with you and give you something.”  Then we would have been #2, then back to #1.  But they didn’t fall for that one.

So there you have it.  The answer is, we have something else coming that will make it worthwhile.

Ok I buy that.  That’s what I said yesterday, that passing ion Szetela is ok if a player is coming that isn’t worth the risk of trying to bilk DC.  That is of course if said player actually materializes.  If he does not, then I will renew my criticism.

What I find very interesting is the idea that this #1 allocation method is for more than just Americans.  I didn’t know that.  It appears it’s for any ex-MLS player returning to the league.  That brings in the obvious Stern John name, but also raises other options.

So what do you think?  Do you now buy passing on Szetela?

Now that we know named beyond Americans can be considered who else from the MLS past might be coming back that is interesting?





22 Comments

  1. Comment by jonesing on July 16, 2009 1:37 PM

    “What I find very interesting is the idea that this #1 allocation method is for more than just Americans. I didn’t know that. It appears it’s for any ex-MLS player returning to the league.”

    I am surprised you did not know that Buzz.
    It also sounds like FCD did try to swap picks with DCU and get something back, but DCU would not go for it. That put FCD in the situation of risking taking Szetela and not being able to get enough value for him to make up losing the allocation spot. So now it comes down to will whatever/whomever FCD gets with the allocation >whatever/whomever FCD would have got from DCU for Szetela
    We will probably never know who DCU would have been willing to offer us, but looking at their roster I would bet it would have been another mid OR a package of bench players. We are probably best keeping the allocation.

  2. Comment by texgator on July 16, 2009 1:41 PM

    Sounds like it’s exactly as I thought…whatever DCU was offering wasn’t enough to risk losing what’s coming down the pipe.

  3. Comment by Adam on July 16, 2009 1:51 PM

    I understand Hyndman not wanting to bring in another midfielder and then be foreced with the decision of who to let go, but I believe we already have a midfielder who is nothing but a wast of space at the moment: Marcelo Saragosa. If he’s not injured, he’s suspended, and has failed to impress while with FCD. Why couldn’t we have just sent Marcelo packing and brought in Szetela? With this in mind, it seems utterly stupid to pass on Danny.

  4. Comment by Buzz Carrick on July 16, 2009 1:53 PM

    Jones, don’t be shocked. I learn things about this league all the time. They change rules at a whim and I don’t exactly do this for a living.

    I also make my share of mistakes. :wink:

  5. Comment by Adam on July 16, 2009 1:58 PM

    I’d also like to bring up the fact that Stern John, if we get him, is 32 years old while young Danny is 22. So basically, the big Trinidad and Tobago striker is Jeff Cunningham if he had the height and stature of Kenny Cooper.

  6. Comment by jonesing on July 16, 2009 2:00 PM

    Adam – it would pretty stupid to get rid of Saragosa andtake a chance on replacing him with potentially a headcase center midfielder when you don’t really need another center mid.

  7. Comment by texgator on July 16, 2009 2:01 PM

    Adam,
    You are missing the point in comparing Szetela with Saragosa. You are then saying that FCD should burn the #1 allocation ranking because the difference between Marcelo and Danny is worth it. That’s crazy. No one even knows what Danny can do since he hasn’t played consistently in nearly 3 years and when he did he certainly wasn’t worth a major #1 allocation. So you are suggesting that FCD was stupid for not going with a complete blind swing on a player with the #1 allocation in a summer were multiple options are likely to be available later. That’s like picking up the mediocre looking chick at the bar 10 minutes after opening because you don’t know if hotties are going to show up later.

  8. Comment by brunomarmos7 on July 16, 2009 2:03 PM

    Let’s wait, but I’m not optimistic about what Schellas said and about players coming back to MLS this summer. I think it was a bad decision.

  9. Comment by jonesing on July 16, 2009 2:04 PM

    32 year old proven goal scorer in and out of MLS. I think he fills a need for FCD.
    Schelotto is 36, I don’t think Crew fans are complaining.

  10. Comment by Adam on July 16, 2009 2:08 PM

    I do know the potential that Danny has shown, and that in Europe for an American, that potential doesn’t alway get the chance. Look at what happened to Landon Donovan. He did well, went to Europe, had a terrible time, then came back to do extremely well. So, yes, when you see what Szetela can do, it is worth the risk, especially for a player like Saragosa. And if Szetela is not worth a number 1 allocation, neither is Stern John. Whoever else is out there that’s coming back to the US better be really good.

  11. Comment by Steve on July 16, 2009 2:12 PM

    Interesting.
    Buzz, are you working to put together a list of other former MLS foreigner that we could add as possibilities? I’m hoping that’s part of what you meant by “We’ll discuss it again after.”
    Was the friendly a few weeks back a veiled attempt at scouting Andy Herron?
    Did Toja decide he misses Texas summers? I know it’s extremely doubtful, but it popped in my head.
    Ronnie O’Brien? I’d rather not take another ride on that crazy train.

    Andy,
    Now you’re comparing him to Donovan returning to MLS as a former MLS MVP? Give it a rest.

  12. Comment by Steve on July 16, 2009 2:13 PM

    Sorry, I meant to address the last part of that post to Adam, not “Andy.”

  13. Comment by jonesing on July 16, 2009 2:14 PM

    Ada you are missing a key difference between Donovan and Szetela.

    Donovan did WELL in MLS before going to Europe. Szetela struggled to get minutes with the Crew before going to Europe.

    Szetela is no Donovan and John is a far better fit for FCD than Szetela.

  14. Comment by texgator on July 16, 2009 2:24 PM

    Adam,
    You need to do more than prove that Szetela > Saragosa. You have to show that Szetela > Saragosa + #1 ranking allocation. And while I’d entertain the first conversation as having some merit, the second is just plain ridiculous.

  15. Comment by KK on July 16, 2009 3:05 PM

    Texgator,
    “Go ugly early and take your own wheels” was sage-like advice that worked very well for me in college. Waiting for the hotties to show up never worked.

  16. Comment by ccart5 on July 17, 2009 10:00 AM

    I’ll give you a name that might be available in the near future: Eddie Johnson. Late of Cardiff City, now back with Fulham, which may not want him. Wouldn’t keeping an allocation slot open for him be worth it? I think so. Thing is Hyndman thinks he needs a striker, not a midfielder. And as I said before on another thread, Szetela was a head case. I don’t think FCD needs guys like him in the locker room.

  17. Comment by Crazy Al on July 17, 2009 11:02 AM

    I’d worry that FCD’s decision is more wishful thinking than fact based. All of us can read the blogs and find out who is going where. We also know how often those rumors turn out to be true. I just hope FCD has been on the phone and knows what’s on the mind of some of these ex-MLS players. Otherwise, this decision will fall into the category of folly espeically if Szetela finds form at DCU.

  18. Comment by mudpoet on July 17, 2009 1:35 PM

    I always thought that #1 spot was for any ex-MLS…until yesterday when you specifically said it was for Americans. That’s what I get for listening to you, Buzz… :lol:

  19. Comment by Ed on July 17, 2009 1:55 PM

    FCD just traded Saragosa to Chivas for Abita Harris. Sounds like a nice pickup..

  20. Comment by Time for Oscar on July 17, 2009 6:18 PM

    CCart Talk about a head case. Eddie Johnson is the leader of that club. Toja??? He’ll never come back here. Beat the house on that.. As for Danny and listening to HS… I’m reading into it that he really isnt comfortable playing this game. He’s used to recruiting a guy, signing him and then keeping him for 3 or4 years and then a rotating door of players. It just goes to show you another reason why these fools should have never hired that knucklehead HS in the first place. I just don’t think he knows what the hell he’s doing.. Period..And I was always right about KC Jr………..

  21. Comment by brizzle on July 17, 2009 6:54 PM

    What about Joseph Ngwenya?

  22. Comment by max on July 20, 2009 5:30 PM

    None of you get it.. the big trade off was getting Atiba Harris. DC wasn’t going to give up Szetela

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