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Before and After HSG

May 15th, 2009 . 10:51 am . By: Buzz Carrick

 The following breakdown was compiled by Tornado Fan and is re-posted with permission.  I think the number speak for themselves.

Seasons
Pre HSG: 7
HSG: 7

Winning Percentage
Pre HSG: .514
HSG: .458
* shootouts as ties

Playoff appearances:
Pre HSG: 7 of 7
HSG: 3 of 7
*assumed the team won’t make the playoffs this year.

Championships:
Pre HSG: 1 (US Open Cup)
HSG: 0

Coaches
Pre HSG: 2
HSG: 5
*including Ferruzzi

GM’s:
Pre HSG: 2
HSG: 4
*including John Alper

Stadiums:
Pre HSG: 1
HSG: 3

Average Attendance:
Pre HSG: 12,521
HSG: 11,583

Avg. Attendance Trend:
Pre HSG: 36% increase from 1997 through 2002 (the last season before HSG) 
Post HSG: 35% decrease from 06 through present
* took every year’s average attendance and divided by the number of seasons. So it should really read “Average Yearly Attendance”.






11 Comments

  1. Comment by mudpoet on May 15, 2009 11:13 AM

    WOW

  2. Comment by FCU on May 15, 2009 11:25 AM

    Not to be a d-bag because it is clear to me what the numbers above mean, but wouldn’t HSG just say…

    Years of Profitability:
    PreHSG: 0
    HSG: 3

  3. Comment by Steve on May 15, 2009 11:28 AM

    That’s a good point FCU. You could also point out the foreign partnerships.

    Overall though, the point of this post is well-taken, Buzz.

  4. Comment by Streen on May 15, 2009 11:35 AM

    From the way the they describe it, if they talked about profitability and partnerships, then it isn’t HSG, but one guy. So you could argue, toss out HSG and keep the one guy.

  5. Comment by Buzz Carrick on May 15, 2009 12:17 PM

    FCU, yes, excellent point. That is the reason there still is an FCD to talk about.

  6. Comment by Robert on May 15, 2009 12:20 PM

    Profitability….an interesting angle.

    It is the angle that the Cincinnati Bengals use in the NFL. The owner (Mike Brown) makes a lot of money off the franchise, so who really cares if a horrendous, losing product is on the field.

    Owner’s performance goal = $$$
    Fan’s performance goal = Wins

    I already have sunk costs in season tickets, so I will continue to show up for the games, but unless I see some significant investments being made to turn the corner that is convincing, I may have to pass on next year. That would be very sad.

  7. Comment by Steve on May 15, 2009 1:28 PM

    MLS does seem to be pushing for less multi-club ownership groups. Hopefully they sell FCD and not the Crew. They seem to be getting some things right up in Columbus. Actually, that is the strangest thing about this whole deal.

  8. Comment by Chad on May 15, 2009 2:06 PM

    With the Southlake debacle alone, HSG has driven this club into the ground. Nice that the team is profitable now, but it’s off of concerts and other events at PHP, not the club itself.

    The sooner MLS has a single owner for every club, the better off it will be. End single entity, it’s served its purpose and now needs to be done away with. If someone would lend me a billion, I’d buy the club today.

  9. Comment by pitchcutter on May 15, 2009 9:11 PM

    How does HSG profitability benefit the fan ?

  10. Comment by rhouston55 on May 16, 2009 7:57 AM

    The playoff appearances is a bit misleading. Back in the old days they let just about everybody into the playoffs. And that Open Cup championship from 97 has never been much comfort to me. For on the field performance I’d give pre-HSG a C+ and HSG a C-.

    The attendance numbers are absolutely damning.

  11. Comment by historian on May 16, 2009 9:11 AM

    Profitability has existed for one year, and in that one year, they were barely profitable. I don’t see the trend continuing – low attendance, lack of sponsorships, lost revenue on the fields, lower concession revenue. All those revenue sources are going down. The only thing going strong I guess are concerts. So if concerts can still tip the scales, I guess the operation is still profitable.

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