Comments on: Counter Punch http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/ The Independent FC Dallas News Source Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:09:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Nathan http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13762 Nathan Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:28:50 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13762 Neither does yours. Neither does yours.

]]> By: spotbeam29 http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13745 spotbeam29 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:09:03 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13745 Nathan - your post doesn't address WHY the various talented athletes that you mention wanted to be ELSEWHERE. Nathan – your post doesn’t address WHY the various talented athletes that you mention wanted to be ELSEWHERE.

]]> By: Nathan http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13702 Nathan Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:23:32 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13702 I think that are various reason why those players went on to do well at other clubs... and not all of them necessarily reflect poorly on Dallas. I've always like O'Brien, but if he's a locker room problem, no matter how good he is, you have to let him go. Everyone knows Toja was great, but I think he was frustrated and not playing his best.. No point in holding onto a player who doesn't really want to be here. Same goes for Alvarez. Decently skilled player, but didn't really perform this year and I think mentally he was checked out and ready to move on. That's hard to overcome. I am one of the few people that liked Denilson.. sure he wasn't worth the salary he was asking.. More than anything I think his problem was a lack of fitness.. If he was fully fit and brought in at the start of the year, it could have been a different story for him. Gbandi.. frankly after his last few performances I was glad to see the back of him.. Goodson was good.. but I think he really wanted to go to Europe more than anything else. He probably wanted a fairly big pay bump to stay here... something competitive to what he was being offered in Europe. MLS teams are just never going to be able to do that. They have to let these players have their turn in Europe. Some will succeed and stay, others will realize that standards are higher, their playing time may be less, and that Europe doesn't have nice tastey American food everywhere.. they end up returning e.g. Wolff, Jaqua, Noonan, Donovan (that last comment was for him). I think that are various reason why those players went on to do well at other clubs… and not all of them necessarily reflect poorly on Dallas.

I’ve always like O’Brien, but if he’s a locker room problem, no matter how good he is, you have to let him go.

Everyone knows Toja was great, but I think he was frustrated and not playing his best.. No point in holding onto a player who doesn’t really want to be here.

Same goes for Alvarez. Decently skilled player, but didn’t really perform this year and I think mentally he was checked out and ready to move on. That’s hard to overcome.

I am one of the few people that liked Denilson.. sure he wasn’t worth the salary he was asking.. More than anything I think his problem was a lack of fitness.. If he was fully fit and brought in at the start of the year, it could have been a different story for him.

Gbandi.. frankly after his last few performances I was glad to see the back of him..

Goodson was good.. but I think he really wanted to go to Europe more than anything else. He probably wanted a fairly big pay bump to stay here… something competitive to what he was being offered in Europe. MLS teams are just never going to be able to do that. They have to let these players have their turn in Europe. Some will succeed and stay, others will realize that standards are higher, their playing time may be less, and that Europe doesn’t have nice tastey American food everywhere.. they end up returning e.g. Wolff, Jaqua, Noonan, Donovan (that last comment was for him).

]]> By: Moose McDowell http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13701 Moose McDowell Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:12:25 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13701 Where do you see Gbandi's stats? From what I can see he's only scored one goal all year. I could be wrong, though - please post a link with English-language stats for him if you have one. He is a forward for Haugesund, right? Now Goodson, there's a guy the FO screwed up with royally. My guess is he'll be back with the Nats next year as a backup. Where do you see Gbandi’s stats? From what I can see he’s only scored one goal all year. I could be wrong, though – please post a link with English-language stats for him if you have one. He is a forward for Haugesund, right?

Now Goodson, there’s a guy the FO screwed up with royally. My guess is he’ll be back with the Nats next year as a backup.

]]> By: pete http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13700 pete Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:17:20 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13700 I'm with Kevin, we could list more players who've found success after leaving FCD. Goodson, Gbandi, Mulrooney, Davis, Gibbs, JK9 and others come to mind but for one reason or another they aren't here anymore and we suck. I’m with Kevin, we could list more players who’ve found success after leaving FCD. Goodson, Gbandi, Mulrooney, Davis, Gibbs, JK9 and others come to mind but for one reason or another they aren’t here anymore and we suck.

]]> By: mudpoet http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13698 mudpoet Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:14:07 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13698 corner kicks: 13 (Jaime Moreno 8 ) 0 no tan bueno corner kicks: 13 (Jaime Moreno 8 ) 0

no tan bueno

]]> By: Kevin http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13697 Kevin Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:31:11 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13697 Hey, Ronnie O'Brien (all washed up so Dallas traded him) scored the MLS goal of the week on a cross from A. Alvarez (all washed up so Dallas traded him). Weird. Juan Toja's new team in Bucharest won their Champion's league game this weekend (the only eastern Europe team to remain in the game against the big money teams. Alvarez has 3 goals and 1 assist in 6 games. Wow...i guess he was all washed up. Good call SH. PS Denilson is coming off a career season in Brazil...weird. Now we just need to cut Rocha so he can go to Serie A and win the Scudenti...all in all we should dump our talent and only go with people (either 12 year olds or SMU grads) who demonstrate commitment. our future never looked so bright. Hey, Ronnie O’Brien (all washed up so Dallas traded him) scored the MLS goal of the week on a cross from A. Alvarez (all washed up so Dallas traded him). Weird.

Juan Toja’s new team in Bucharest won their Champion’s league game this weekend (the only eastern Europe team to remain in the game against the big money teams.

Alvarez has 3 goals and 1 assist in 6 games. Wow…i guess he was all washed up. Good call SH.

PS Denilson is coming off a career season in Brazil…weird.

Now we just need to cut Rocha so he can go to Serie A and win the Scudenti…all in all we should dump our talent and only go with people (either 12 year olds or SMU grads) who demonstrate commitment.

our future never looked so bright.

]]> By: christian http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13695 christian Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:22:40 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13695 wow 13 corner kicks to nil I guess it's alright figuring we don't score on set pieces anyways wow 13 corner kicks to nil

I guess it’s alright figuring we don’t score on set pieces anyways

]]> By: the other alex http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13694 the other alex Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:01:26 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13694 I bet Guarda tore it up vs West Texas State and Centenary, a pity they don't play in MLS though. :???: I bet Guarda tore it up vs West Texas State and Centenary, a pity they don’t play in MLS though. :???:

]]> By: Sean http://www.3rddegree.net/2008/09/14/counter-punch/comment-page-1/#comment-13693 Sean Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:02:15 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/?p=2248#comment-13693 I'm a guy who's always thought Dallas was just a nudge away from being a really good, really entertaining team. Looking at the team on the pitch against DC, though, good lord. I know Hyndman's probably delighted we're all second-guessing him - he's got enough of that old-coach contrariness to believe he's got the secret keys to the castle. In the long run, though, talent plus commitment wins, not one or the other. Seems like Hyndman has the latter on the brain and only pays lip service to the former. Specifically, unless there's disciplinary stuff we don't know about, Guarda over Avila is at this point egregious coach's-kid style nepotism. I’m a guy who’s always thought Dallas was just a nudge away from being a really good, really entertaining team. Looking at the team on the pitch against DC, though, good lord.

I know Hyndman’s probably delighted we’re all second-guessing him – he’s got enough of that old-coach contrariness to believe he’s got the secret keys to the castle. In the long run, though, talent plus commitment wins, not one or the other. Seems like Hyndman has the latter on the brain and only pays lip service to the former.

Specifically, unless there’s disciplinary stuff we don’t know about, Guarda over Avila is at this point egregious coach’s-kid style nepotism.

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