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FCD Blanks Atletico Paranaense 2-0

March 6th, 2008 . 5:16 pm . By: Buzz Carrick

Wags Takes on CAP (Giuliano Roman, Furacao.com)

FC Dallas blanked an Atlético Paranaense “B” team today at Kyocera Arena in Curitiba, Brazil, to take the 1st Leg of the USA-Brazil Challenge.  The game was part of a double header which featured their “A” team in the Copa do Brasil.  There was no video stream of the game, but FC Dallas did a blog play by play you can read here.

Ricardinho and André Rocha scored in the first half and FCD held off the Hurricane to win 2-0.

Atlético Paranaense Lineup

In T&T CAP played a 4-3-3, but Morrow looks to have drawn a 3-5-2 there with one very deep stopper. Almost all these names are from their senior team, only one or two were seen in T&T. 

10-Kaio
(14 Robert 60)
11-Ederson
 6-Michel 8-Chico 10-Rodrigão
(18-Fagner 75)
7-Renan
5-João Leonardo
4-Matheus 3- Leandro
(13 Carlao 55)
2-Douglas Maia
(16-Deivid 75)
1-Julian Viafara

FC Dallas Lineup

We can tell it’s a 3-5-2 from Morrow’s lineup drawing.

Ricardinho (Oduro 75) Cooper (Thompson 85)
André Rocha
Wagenfuhr Saragosa Ricchetti
(Wallace 75)
Rhine (c)
Serioux (Yi 62) Pitchkolan Moor
Sala

The above is basically your first team…

- FCD says Davino and Toja were a little sore from the previous game and were held out. 
- Pitchkolan in for Davino.
- Likely Rhine in for McCarty with U23s, Ricardinho maybe in for Alvarez, who’s also with the U23s.

Thoughts

- This looks like the toughest and biggest game to date this spring.  Positive result, but let’s wait and see what CAP brings to Dallas for game 2.

- Based on the FCD PR-PxP I’m giving Dario Sala my Man of the Match nod.

- Sometime soon we need to see 90 minutes from strikers.  Morrow loves to rotate out forwards, but 90 minute fitness needs to be pushed soon.  Cooper in particular I wanted to see get a complete game. 

- 90 minutes for the old man wide on the right, Wags on the left too.

- Nice to see Pablo Ricchetti back in the first team. Now get Toja in there for Saragosa and I’m happy with the midfield… once McCarty gets back from the U23s that is.

- Interesting to see André Rocha at the #10 spot.  I knew he was capable of playing an advanced role in midfield, but one wonders how high he was playing.  Was it a real pure #10, or was he rotating back in the middle?

- Ricardinho and André Rocha scoring against their parent club has to be bittersweet.  Tough to score against your long-time owners and fans, but nice to prove you’ve got what it takes in front of your owners and fans.

- Another blank sheet with Pitchkolan in the defense.  I haven’t counted but he’s gotten several of those with the first team that I seem to be recalling.

- The blog talks both about possession from FCD and the midfielders clogging up play and winning balls.  Both are characteristics of the 3-5-2 and are two of the reasons I advocated it a year ago and still want to see it over the 3-4-3 this year.  Nice to see it working well in a tough environment.

- It’s so hard for us to know how good that set of CAP players is.  I emailed a contact and from what I can find out, “It was a mix of first team and second team players.  Most of them aren’t playing in the first team now, but were last year.”  So I think it’s safe to call it their “B” team.  Still FCD hasn’t done all that well against the CAP “B” team before so I still think it’s a good result.






22 Comments

  1. Comment by ED on March 6, 2008 7:54 PM

    The CAP website, in the past, showed Rocha playing in a CAM position

  2. Comment by twotone on March 6, 2008 8:15 PM

    curious, but is there a way that Alvarez would be in for Wags on the left? i know he played a higher position last year, but he also excels running at people with space to move around. I know the wing in the 3-5-2 plays further back cuz of its defensive duties, but there’s no reason that Dax and Artie couldnt switch every now and then like they did with the high wings last season. Plus, now there are 2 d-mids to cover for him when he goes forward (instead of Gbad Gbandi).

    just curious.

  3. Comment by 3nOut on March 6, 2008 8:54 PM

    no matter if it’s the B team, it is still a good win. i’m sure the CAP team is very competitive and still talented. from reading the pbp report, i liked how we kept possession and moved the ball. now, all we need is that consistency.

  4. Comment by Cai on March 6, 2008 9:05 PM

    I agree, good game and a good sign of progress. CAP is a very deep team.

  5. Comment by 3nOut on March 6, 2008 10:16 PM

    btw, any news on that CAP trialist we were to look into?

  6. Comment by Buzz Carrick on March 7, 2008 12:27 AM

    TT, it’s not very likely you will see Alvarez in the wingback spot Wags started in this game. Mainly cause he doesn’t play enough defense and you want Arturo closer to goal anyway.

    3nOut, no news on which CAP player Morrow was talking about.

  7. Comment by hutchtx on March 7, 2008 6:54 AM

    A question (or two). . .

    I’m trying to figure out the Brazilian Leagues . . . in which league does CAP play? The ESPNSoccer.net website is not helpful . . . I can’t even find CAP on any of the current 2008 listings.

    How does CAP compare to other teams, such as Sao Paola and Palmieras?

    Thanks!

  8. Comment by Ze Bill on March 7, 2008 7:16 AM

    hutchtx, I googled around and found that Paranaense finished in the middle of the pack of the top division, the Brasileiro [sp]. The champs by far were Sao Paulo. Paranaense beat Sao Paulo 2 – 1 in a league match in early December in Curitiba.

  9. Comment by oman on March 7, 2008 7:34 AM

    Any thoughts on how Cooper played specifically. Beast like? Stll finding a rhthm?

  10. Comment by Balonpie on March 7, 2008 8:15 AM

    MLS Cup Here we come!

  11. Comment by JPB4 on March 7, 2008 8:24 AM

    hutchtx, CAP plays in Brasileiro Serie A, the highest level of competition. Their season runs from may to Dec. for the reg. season and you can see the 07 results here:

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/t...ne&order=false&cc=5901

    I can’t make sense of all the various tournaments, cups, state championships, etc. they have in Brazil (see links at the top of the standings link), but suffice it to say CAP plays in the highest division/league in Brazil and is a good club.

  12. Comment by len on March 7, 2008 9:26 AM

    Is CAP a good team was the question and the answer is yes by the standard of the domestic Brazilian league. BUT the best of the country’s players leave and make far more money in Europe. What’s left is what we would call in the USA jounyman players and those too young to have been discovered just yet.
    This league is not like Mexico where above average players are over paid to keep them at home.

    FCD has picked up two players that were seen as expendible by CAP so you can see the level that we are getting when compared to what that great soccer country produces.

  13. Comment by hutchtx on March 7, 2008 10:58 AM

    Thanks for the info, guys!

    I could see that CAP finished middle of the table last season, but . . . when does the 2008 season start? From reading the CAP website, I noticed that the A team lost to (I forget who) in PK’s in the Copa do Brasil (and are thus out).

    I realize that the top Brazilians do leave for Europe. However, I think for FCD to defeat even the CAP “B” team — and for the “expendible” players to have an impact in that win — is significant for FC Dallas (and for Ricardniho and Rocha).

    Great job, FCD!

    P.S. len . . . are you EVER happy about anything FCD does? Just curious, because all of your posts always seem to have a negative slant.

  14. Comment by FriscoFan on March 7, 2008 11:20 AM

    I’ll answer for len…NO!

    BTW: this is a good win for FCD. We were really dominated by them last year. And I do recall Rocha eating up Pablo and Toja in the middle of the field. This guy could prove to be SM’s biggest pickup to date. Games against the LA Becks and a rematch with CAP should tell.

  15. Comment by texgator on March 7, 2008 12:00 PM

    Len is being a tad bit harsh. For all that he says about the Brazilian League, and much of it is somewhat true, the Brazilian clubs have beaten the Mexican Clubs fairly regularly in Copa Lib and Copa Sud matches for years. I’d say the Mexican clubs that do participate in those tournaments are, on average, more successful than the Brazilians….but it’s not by much. I believe that Brazilian clubs have won the South American championship 3 out of the last 5 years.

  16. Comment by C-Rich on March 7, 2008 2:25 PM

    Very concerned to see Wagenfuhr starting with all the talent we have here. I know he works his @ss off in training but that effort, on a good day, should be rewarded by finding one of the few remaining spots on the bench, never in the lineup. IMHO that is

  17. Comment by FriscoFan on March 7, 2008 2:31 PM

    Wags has actually played pretty well so far this year in a wingback role. IMO: both Wags and Rhine are both suited as wingbacks better than outside backs in a 4 back formation.

    Plus we didn’t have AA or Dax available.

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  19. Comment by 3nOut on March 7, 2008 9:27 PM

    i agree w/ c-rich. it’s nothing against wags, but we do have some talent at MF. when you say depth, wags isn’t the 1st person i think about at MF. i’m big on wally…even brek at LWB. IMO, somebody’s else would be there by mid-season.

  20. Comment by SK on March 7, 2008 11:25 PM

    Possibly to shed some light on the Brazilian futebol scene, and possibly to just confuse everybody more…

    There are approximately as many Brazilian soccer teams as there are stars in the sky. The population of the country is HUGE, and dang near every single one of them plays the game. So, it’s quite impossible to have a standard Euro-style promotion/relegation format. Instead, they have a bunch of local tournaments which pyramid up into each other… sorta. Each state holds a major tournament (though for lesser teams, there are also lesser and more localized tournaments). The state tournaments basically comprise the first half of the season. The teams that do well in the state tournaments play in the national tournament (what we would consider the “regular season”) at whatever level they achieve (A being the top, C being the bottom). There is also a Brazilian version of the FA Cup/USOC, called the Brazil Cup or Copa do Brasil. Each state tournament is different, and promotion/relegation is handled differently for each tournament. It’s a very complex system, but it works very well. It’s especially good at promoting rivalries from the derby level all the way up to the national level.

    I have two Brazilians on the high school team I coach, so I’ve had to learn the system to effectively shoot the breeze. One is a Cruzeiros ultra and the other is a Corinthians fan, so I’m forced to keep up with two separate tournaments (not to mention the Copa Lib for Cruzeiros), and thus I’ve also learned a lot of Portuguese.

  21. Comment by hutchtx on March 8, 2008 5:54 AM

    Cool! Thanks for the info . . . after looking at ESPNSoccetnet, it does make sense, now. As much as it can. And after looking up CAP on Wikipedia, while they finished something like 12th in the “Serie A” in December, they did win it back in 2001 (I think). Don’t know what it means now that they are out of the Copa do Brasil, now.

    At any rate, I think it’s an excellent partnership for FCD. Plus, it gives the fans a glimpse into the Brazilian football world, too.

    Cool! :)

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