Comments on: Match Report: FC Dallas 1, Houston Dynamo 4 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/ The Independent FC Dallas News Source Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:09:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Post-Game Pontification « Oz City http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-9237 Post-Game Pontification « Oz City Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:23:41 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-9237 [...] be a particular specialty, having twice targeted Carlos Ruiz; ejected for one incident in 2006 and cautioned for another last year.  He also received a red last year for a last-man tackle on Salt Lake’s Kyle Beckerman, and [...] [...] be a particular specialty, having twice targeted Carlos Ruiz; ejected for one incident in 2006 and cautioned for another last year.  He also received a red last year for a last-man tackle on Salt Lake’s Kyle Beckerman, and [...]

]]> By: eddie j http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5005 eddie j Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:52:54 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-5005 yeah i know hutch, but i think t goes to my point about making excuses rather than taking responsibility yeah i know hutch, but i think t goes to my point about making excuses rather than taking responsibility

]]> By: cidolfas http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5001 cidolfas Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:04:15 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-5001 Just for some perspective (oh, btw, I do like the blog 3rd, even if it is FCD centric. I like to know the viewpoints of other fans and your blog is well done), Houston fans say the same thing about when we play FCD. We have no issues playing flowing soccer against other teams, but put us against you guys and it all goes chippy. We blame you, of course, because that's what the data tells us. What other conclusion are we supposed to reach? That OUR team is the problem, when we have no issues independent from you? Naturally, you make the same judgment in return. Just wanted to give a little bit of perspective. Of course, I'm a Houston fan... I MUST be wrong :P Just for some perspective (oh, btw, I do like the blog 3rd, even if it is FCD centric. I like to know the viewpoints of other fans and your blog is well done), Houston fans say the same thing about when we play FCD. We have no issues playing flowing soccer against other teams, but put us against you guys and it all goes chippy. We blame you, of course, because that’s what the data tells us. What other conclusion are we supposed to reach? That OUR team is the problem, when we have no issues independent from you?

Naturally, you make the same judgment in return. Just wanted to give a little bit of perspective. Of course, I’m a Houston fan… I MUST be wrong :P

]]> By: hutchtx http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-4996 hutchtx Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:50:32 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-4996 Valid points. My original point was why does the game seem so "nasty" when FCD plays Houston and not a team like DCU? I am well aware the FCD is at the bottom of the fair play table, but there are "professional fouls" and then there is ugly play (going for the player not the ball, flopping and theatrics) -- hence the comparison of each team's top foulers. I can appreciate that Houston has an outstanding defense, and I can appreciate players like De Rosario. The team ruins any respect I might have for them by the way they played on Friday and in the last game I witnessed in PHP. Anyway, that's all. I happen to agree with you on your points about earning one's salary, etc. That just wasn't what I originally asked about. Valid points. My original point was why does the game seem so “nasty” when FCD plays Houston and not a team like DCU?

I am well aware the FCD is at the bottom of the fair play table, but there are “professional fouls” and then there is ugly play (going for the player not the ball, flopping and theatrics) — hence the comparison of each team’s top foulers.

I can appreciate that Houston has an outstanding defense, and I can appreciate players like De Rosario. The team ruins any respect I might have for them by the way they played on Friday and in the last game I witnessed in PHP.

Anyway, that’s all. I happen to agree with you on your points about earning one’s salary, etc. That just wasn’t what I originally asked about.

]]> By: winnie the pooh http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-4989 winnie the pooh Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:04:14 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-4989 oh hutch...how little you know...actually an FCD fan, but so sick of people making excuses...front office this, morrow that...ultimately it comes down to the players winning...if they get their 400k then they need to earn it. if they are making 20k, then they need to prove to everyone that they should be making more...someone should be taking a smart pill....nope..someone shoud be smart enough to know the situation "up 2-0 on aggregate...50-60 minutes to play...playing away" it does not take a rocket scientist to know what "NOT" to do. you would think the team or at least some players learned that fact after last year's playoff game at home (ghbandi) and you can talk about other teams players and such...but when talking about the fouling of one team over another all you have to do is go to this link http://web.mlsnet.com/stats/discipline.jsp (very bottom of the page) FCD...bottom of the table on the fair play scale...so i don't get the whole calling out a team that because of the fouling issue. ultimately i think all these things are just excuses for the players to fall back on. i think they need to be held accountable. held accountable for the red card (i think AA should get the same suspension and fine as clark...granted not as hideous looking, but flagarant none the less whether a dive was taken or not...he apparently at least tried to injure/hurt the guy) Will AA get the same suspension/fine..probably not becasue he did not go after one of the league's poster child (the fish) like clark did. you get subbed for a player...ultimately you need to make sure you do whatever it takes for your team to win...i saw that drive in houston's team, but not soo much in all of FCD's players. just my opinion and sure you can factor in tactics, the swapping of formations and players. but really all players in the league are on their teams becasue the coaches/gm's beleive that they can help their chances to winning a title. anyways, just my opinion, maybe i dont look to others teams for blame, rather internally, especially at the players who's job it is to contribute to their common effort, winning a championship. but like i said....just my opinion oh hutch…how little you know…actually an FCD fan, but so sick of people making excuses…front office this, morrow that…ultimately it comes down to the players winning…if they get their 400k then they need to earn it. if they are making 20k, then they need to prove to everyone that they should be making more…someone should be taking a smart pill….nope..someone shoud be smart enough to know the situation “up 2-0 on aggregate…50-60 minutes to play…playing away” it does not take a rocket scientist to know what “NOT” to do. you would think the team or at least some players learned that fact after last year’s playoff game at home (ghbandi) and you can talk about other teams players and such…but when talking about the fouling of one team over another all you have to do is go to this link

http://web.mlsnet.com/stats/discipline.jsp
(very bottom of the page)

FCD…bottom of the table on the fair play scale…so i don’t get the whole calling out a team that because of the fouling issue.

ultimately i think all these things are just excuses for the players to fall back on.

i think they need to be held accountable. held accountable for the red card (i think AA should get the same suspension and fine as clark…granted not as hideous looking, but flagarant none the less whether a dive was taken or not…he apparently at least tried to injure/hurt the guy) Will AA get the same suspension/fine..probably not becasue he did not go after one of the league’s poster child (the fish) like clark did.

you get subbed for a player…ultimately you need to make sure you do whatever it takes for your team to win…i saw that drive in houston’s team, but not soo much in all of FCD’s players.

just my opinion and sure you can factor in tactics, the swapping of formations and players. but really all players in the league are on their teams becasue the coaches/gm’s beleive that they can help their chances to winning a title.

anyways, just my opinion, maybe i dont look to others teams for blame, rather internally, especially at the players who’s job it is to contribute to their common effort, winning a championship.

but like i said….just my opinion

]]> By: hutchtx http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-4986 hutchtx Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:19:33 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-4986 LOL! One hardly needs a calculator, even, to do a simple ratio. As for the second part. . . . I am supporter enough of this club to A) not go and belittle of other teams on their own discussion areas, and B) having only experienced the FCD ups-and-downs-, really, for one season, I'd say they don't need more money, just A) no one take a "stupid pill" before the second playoff game (ie learn a little control and be "smart" about fouls), B) more work and practice next season on their team coordination, C) everyone stay healthy (which, btw, really affected their team coordination), and D) no more "brilliant" mid-season signings of international superstars. Either do it right at the beginning of the season, or don't bother. We've got the talent. Just get them to function better as a unit/team. So, ej . . . are you a Houston fan or a KC fan? And is it possible to just allow the FCD fans to discuss their team and its good points/bad points without outside pointless comments? LOL! One hardly needs a calculator, even, to do a simple ratio. As for the second part. . . . I am supporter enough of this club to A) not go and belittle of other teams on their own discussion areas, and B) having only experienced the FCD ups-and-downs-, really, for one season, I’d say they don’t need more money, just A) no one take a “stupid pill” before the second playoff game (ie learn a little control and be “smart” about fouls), B) more work and practice next season on their team coordination, C) everyone stay healthy (which, btw, really affected their team coordination), and D) no more “brilliant” mid-season signings of international superstars. Either do it right at the beginning of the season, or don’t bother. We’ve got the talent. Just get them to function better as a unit/team.

So, ej . . . are you a Houston fan or a KC fan? And is it possible to just allow the FCD fans to discuss their team and its good points/bad points without outside pointless comments?

]]> By: eddie j http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-4977 eddie j Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:06:28 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-4977 wow apparently hutchtx is a renowned statistics professor at smu due to his due dilligence in creating the above statistical analysis...good job...no take your TI-83 and see if you can figure out how much money it will take fcd to make it past the first round of the playoffs wow apparently hutchtx is a renowned statistics professor at smu due to his due dilligence in creating the above statistical analysis…good job…no take your TI-83 and see if you can figure out how much money it will take fcd to make it past the first round of the playoffs

]]> By: hutchtx http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-4966 hutchtx Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:12:14 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-4966 "all i keep hearing are excuses….excuses, excuses, excuses…i do think the better team one.." Good for you. Now, try being a more mature HD fan, stop pestering us and go cheer for your own team, and stop undercutting any credibility you might have by not being able to spell or capitalize worth a flip (won vs. one, geesh!). Might "trolling other teams boards/forums" fall under the category of "you need to get a life"? Perhaps some math for you and your "better team." My point here was that Houston seems to play ugly, nasty soccer with it's fouling and theatrics (and don't bother complaining about Ruiz -- I don't care for him either, in that respect). Let's compare Toja and Robinson. Toja = 83 fouls with 4 cautions. ER = 70 with 11 cautions & 1 ejection. Hence the ratio of fouls to cautions (nevermind the red card) would be: JCT = 83:4 or 20.75:1 ER = 70:11 or 6.4:1 That's a card every 6 fouls or so for Mr. Robinson. Which, to me illustrates the difference in the equality (or lack thereof) of the two teams. Ta ta! “all i keep hearing are excuses….excuses, excuses, excuses…i do think the better team one..”

Good for you. Now, try being a more mature HD fan, stop pestering us and go cheer for your own team, and stop undercutting any credibility you might have by not being able to spell or capitalize worth a flip (won vs. one, geesh!). Might “trolling other teams boards/forums” fall under the category of “you need to get a life”?

Perhaps some math for you and your “better team.” My point here was that Houston seems to play ugly, nasty soccer with it’s fouling and theatrics (and don’t bother complaining about Ruiz — I don’t care for him either, in that respect). Let’s compare Toja and Robinson. Toja = 83 fouls with 4 cautions. ER = 70 with 11 cautions & 1 ejection. Hence the ratio of fouls to cautions (nevermind the red card) would be:

JCT = 83:4 or 20.75:1
ER = 70:11 or 6.4:1

That’s a card every 6 fouls or so for Mr. Robinson. Which, to me illustrates the difference in the equality (or lack thereof) of the two teams.

Ta ta!

]]> By: eddie j http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-4960 eddie j Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:16:17 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-4960 fcd choked again.....all i keep hearing are excuses....excuses, excuses, excuses...i do think the better team one.. morrow and fcd choked... fcd choked again…..all i keep hearing are excuses….excuses, excuses, excuses…i do think the better team one..

morrow and fcd choked…

]]> By: hutchtx http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/04/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/comment-page-1/#comment-4955 hutchtx Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:22:55 +0000 http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/11/match-report-fc-dallas-1-houston-dynamo-4/#comment-4955 "f you must retaliate, at least do it in the course of play and make it look like you went for the ball. Perfect example Serioux who already knew he was injured and was going to be subbed out.. but he made damn sure that Holden knew that he wasn’t happy with his earlier challenge. He did a pretty good job of making it look like an honest attempt to play the ball and got a yellow for his trouble.. but better than retailiating off the ball which would have been a straight red." Oh, how true! I remembered Serioux's injury after I'd typed the above comment . . . and I remember the foul, now that you mentioned it. And yes -- our guys lost their heads on several occaisions (Clarence, Drew, Chris, Artie). I know that FCD can foul as equally as the rest, but I've learned that there are "professional" fouls (ricchetti got a lot of those, I know), fouls to stop plays . . . and then downright dirty/ugly play. People comment about how Toja had the league record in fouls committed (83), but he received only 4 yellow cards. Then there's Robinson with: 70 fouls, 11 yellow cards, and 1 ejection (and he always seemed to argue with the ref . . . don't think I ever saw Toja argue about a card or foul). That, to me, highlights the difference between FCD's "chippy" play and Houston's. “f you must retaliate, at least do it in the course of play and make it look like you went for the ball. Perfect example Serioux who already knew he was injured and was going to be subbed out.. but he made damn sure that Holden knew that he wasn’t happy with his earlier challenge. He did a pretty good job of making it look like an honest attempt to play the ball and got a yellow for his trouble.. but better than retailiating off the ball which would have been a straight red.”

Oh, how true! I remembered Serioux’s injury after I’d typed the above comment . . . and I remember the foul, now that you mentioned it. And yes — our guys lost their heads on several occaisions (Clarence, Drew, Chris, Artie). I know that FCD can foul as equally as the rest, but I’ve learned that there are “professional” fouls (ricchetti got a lot of those, I know), fouls to stop plays . . . and then downright dirty/ugly play. People comment about how Toja had the league record in fouls committed (83), but he received only 4 yellow cards. Then there’s Robinson with: 70 fouls, 11 yellow cards, and 1 ejection (and he always seemed to argue with the ref . . . don’t think I ever saw Toja argue about a card or foul). That, to me, highlights the difference between FCD’s “chippy” play and Houston’s.

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